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B-17 or B-24?

During WWII, the two bombers that carried the load in European air war for the Americans were the B-17 Flying Fortress and the B-24 Liberator. In my latest work-in-progress I am trying to decide which airplane my hero/navigator would have flown.  My first thought was to use the B-17 since it seemed more glamorous, but with more research about both planes, I found that the Liberator was quite a plane, too. After all, Jimmy Stewart flew the B-24. How’s that for glamor?

Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress
Almost everyone has heard of the iconic B-17. When we think of bombers of that era, images come to mind of planes shot full  of holes, with sections blown off and engines not functioning, yet landing safely on air fields in England. Those images are usually of B-17’s. Its crews loved the Flying Fortress because it took lots of damage and still brought them home.

Memphis Belle

Anyone remember the Memphis Belle? It was the first bomber that finished the required 25 missions in 1943. (Mission requirements were increased to 30 and then to 35 in 1944)  Major William Wyler, the famous director and movie maker, as part of the First Motion Picture Unit of the US Army Air Forces, directed a film depicting the final flight of the Memphis Belle. The footage became the documentary “The Memphis Belle: A Story of a Flying Fortress.”  As a morale booster for the Army and the folks back home, the crew, the plane and the movie toured the US selling war bonds and recruiting flyers for the Army Air Force. In 1990, Hollywood made a movie about that last flight, “The Memphis Belle.” Both films depict the lives of bomber crews in WWII and are well worth seeing.

Consolidated B-24 Liberator
But what about the B-24 Liberator? In researching accounts of WWII  bomber crew members, I discovered that Jimmy Stewart (Yes! the movie star) flew combat missions over Europe in B-24’s. Starr Smith wrote in “Jimmy Stewart Bomber Pilot”about Jimmy enlisting before the war even started. He earned his wings and became an instructor flying B-17’s. Apparently the military feared Stewart would be  harmed if sent overseas, which frustrated Stewart. Finally in 1943 his wish for combat duty came true with his assignment to the 445th Bomber Group, part of the Eighth Air Force.  He quickly learned to fly the B-24 and within months received orders for England. Captain Stewart commanded the 703rd Squadron of the 445th Bomber Group and regularly flew combat missions. Promoted to Major and transferred to the 453rd Bomber Group as Operations Officer, Stewart continued to fly combat missions, including flying on D-Day (June 6, 1944). In July 1944, Lt. Colonel Stewart’s transfer to Second Combat Wing Headquarters severely limited his combat flying.  In his twenty-three months overseas, Stewart flew 20 combat missions over Europe, all in B-24 Liberators.

Jimmy Stewart
Data for a head to head comparison of the B-17 and the B-24 can be found on several websites for anyone who likes statistics.  One interesting difference I found was that the B-17 was slower than the B-24.  The difference in speed meant that the two bombers could not fly in the same formations, although they were often sent on the same missions.  But the B-17 could fly at higher altitudes. There is no doubt that the Flying Fortress crews and the Liberator crews each believed their plane the best and maintained an ongoing, good-natured rivalry.

Some believe that the B-17 got better press during the war and many thought it a better looking plane. It is definitely the one most people associate with WWII.

So, which plane will I use in my book? I haven’t decided. But I’m leaning toward the B-24 because it’s less known and because I have found some good books to use as reference material. Among them are:  “A Reason To Live” by John Harold Robinson who flew as a gunner and engineer on a B-24; “Lucky Penny’s Tail” by Gregory J. Matenkoski recounting the story of Edmund Survilla, a tail gunner on a B-24; and “Jimmy Stewart Bomber Pilot” by Starr Smith.

For additional research, I plan to travel to Savannah, Georgia, to visit the Mighty Eighth Air Force Museum sometime in the near future. This museum should give me additional details and insight into the WWII air war.  Wouldn’t I love to take a ride on one of those old planes? I’m watching for an opportunity.

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2 thoughts on “B-17 or B-24?

  1. Two years too late it seems, but I will give you my perspective anyway:
    The B-24 could carry several times the bomb load over a much larger distance than could the B-17 (which is why B-17 usage in the Pacific pretty much ended as quickly as replacement B-24 units could arrive in theater).
    On the other hand, the B-17 could take a tremendous amount of damage and return her crews home; the B-24 was much more fragile, particularly around the wing area. A single flak burst anywhere close to wing roots would often tend to cause the wings to break off, with rather unfortunate results for the crew. Also, the B-24 did not survive ditching events very well, as it tended to break up on impact and sink before the crew could escape. Pilots generally considered it little fun to fly, which Stephen Ambrose documented in his book ‘The Wild Blue’. This is at least partially corroborated by the fact that the Army Air Force scrapped the entire B-24 fleet almost immediately after WWII, while retaining a number of ‘special duty’ B-17s well into the late ’50s/early 60’s.
    Nevertheless, if you would be looking for a high-tech, cutting-edge but dangerous machine for your hero to fly, the B-24 is your aircraft. BTW, Clark Gable flew the B-17 operationally from England during the war!

    My father was a radio operator on B-24s, and flew 26 missions over occupied Europe and Germany – after VE day, his unit was recalled to the States, and was in the process of transitioning to the B-29 when the war finally ended. My favorite uncle was a crew chief on B-24s in the Pacific, so B-24s tended to run in my family…

    Byron H. Boyd

    1. Thanks for your comment and the information on both the B-24 and the B-17 bombers. You obviously know about their history and capabilities. These planes are fascinating. Many people today don’t know the hardships the crews endured – not just the flack and fighter attacks, but also the lack of pressurization requiring the use of oxygen, the sub-zero temperatures that caused frostbite and required primative, heated suits, and the lack of instrumentation to aid in navigation and bombing. The heroic stories are endless. I decided that the hero of my novel would fly in a B-17 but I was torn. Both planes did a fantastic job during the war. Thanks again for your comment.

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